Joined: Jun 09, 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: EVP - how do they manifest
ok this is just something I have been working on as to EVP's, Vince Wilson (ghosttech.net) is also working on something similar.
EVPs: Vibration, Pressure or Something Else.
Ok first off we know that EVP, Electronic Voice Phenomenon, are speech or speech-like sounds that occur on electronic devices, but are not heard in the environment at the time they are recorded, and thought by some to be of paranormal origin (from Wikipedia).
Ok my question is not why but how does or how do entities manifest the voices. We know how to record EVPs, and have done so on Digital and Magnetic Tape, now if we had a clue of which medium was used to create the EVP then we would be one step closer to accually forming a line of communications with them.
Ok by sound, we commonly mean the vibrations that travel through air. My question is how are these vibrations in the air being made? Or do vibrations in the air have anything to do with EVPs?
Others have looked to the how’s of this also, The EVP Bell Jar Experiment by Vince Wilson looks to isolate a microphone in a vacuum to see if a ghost uses EMFs (Electromagnetic Fields) to manipulate the magnetic elements inside a microphone as apposed to vibrating a diaphragm (which is how sound is carried normally) then air would not be necessary to record EVP.
Ok when an object vibrates it pulls in on the surrounding air particles. This creates a drop in pressure, which pulls in more surrounding air particles, creating another drop in pressure, which pulls in particles even farther out. This pressure decrease is called rarefaction. Ok I’m sure most of use can agree that entities can affect temperature and also Electromagnetic Fields, which is why we use devices to read these effects. Well what if the entity can affect air pressure the same way it does temperature? Then wouldn’t this give it the ability to produce sound without having to use a vibration response that we usually attribute to sound?
As of right now, Mike aka “Timewilltell” is working on a vibration detector made from a speaker, and I am looking into different barometers that would be useful in this experiment.
So easy recap:
EVP
Possible Source: Vibrations
Detection: Device Mike is doing up.
Exclusionary Experiment: Vince Wilson’s Bell Jar Experiment
Possible Source: Pressure
Detection: Barometer
Exclusionary Experiment: (only thing I can think of is a pressure regulated room as used in Medical or with Gases, but not really Idea since EVPs are not just going to follow you into these areas).
Ok that’s just a little of what I am working on with the assistance from some of you guys out there. _________________ If your not behind our Troops, please feel free to stand infront of them.
Joined: Aug 11, 2007 Posts: 5 Location: Paulding County
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject:
One thing I've thought about is the correlation between evp's and emf spikes. Since evp's are recorded electronically (DVR's) or magnetically (tape recorders) and not heard by the human ear, I've questioned whether the voices are an electromagnetic phenomena. It would be great to track the times of evp's and sync them up with emf spikes and vibrations and/or barometric changes.
The human ear can not pick up electromagnetic energy obviously. Even the buzzing you hear near large transformers is simply the frequency of the current passing through it setting up resonance in the transformer; a low, droning 60Hz in the U.S.
But the device Zombiedigger has recruited me to build can be modified with various inputs to set off the alarm. It can be set to pick up audio, vibration, light, or even RF (the last two of which are photonic and electromagnetic).
The ultimate device would would actively measure all four in real time, record audio, and log the time of the event. But, in the mean time, we can use several devices to do this.
The best thing about this experiment is that it can not only yield knowledge, it can give us some devices that can be used in a variety of applications. _________________ Friends call me Mike, but you can call me Mike
"The supernatural is the natural not yet understood." - Elbert Hubbard
Why use a Bell Jar? Why not just use a recorder that needs an external mic and unplug the mic? I wish I had more time to comment but I am in a little bit of a hurry I have been thinking about this for a time and really dont think pressure waves could possibly be the answer. Sonic waves would be picked up by our own ears. Sometimes that happens too....but in the case of ones that appear mysteriously on our devices.....I have other theories
Joined: Aug 11, 2007 Posts: 5 Location: Paulding County
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:
A bell jar would help create a vacuum. Sound, vibrating air molecules, can't travel through a vacuum. So, theoretically, if the evp was picked up my a dvr outside the bell jar, and not one inside the bell jar, assuming they are in very close proximity, that would mean evp's are an acoustic phenomenon. If they both picked it up, it would be an electromagnetic phenomenon. I tend to lean toward the latter.
Energy can travel through a vacuum. So, on the minute chance you do get an evp while doing the experiment, it will give more info to work with. _________________ Friends call me Mike, but you can call me Mike
"The supernatural is the natural not yet understood." - Elbert Hubbard
A bell jar would help create a vacuum. Sound, vibrating air molecules, can't travel through a vacuum. So, theoretically, if the evp was picked up my a dvr outside the bell jar, and not one inside the bell jar, assuming they are in very close proximity, that would mean evp's are an acoustic phenomenon. If they both picked it up, it would be an electromagnetic phenomenon. I tend to lean toward the latter.
Energy can travel through a vacuum. So, on the minute chance you do get an evp while doing the experiment, it will give more info to work with.
What if it only appeared on the device attached to the mic in the bell jar? Interestingly, though, I have gotten EVPs on my recorder when a fellow investigator, recording at the same moment, did not. I do agree that it must be happening through a means other than pressure waves.
Joined: Jun 09, 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject:
what Mike and I are looking to prove/ disprove is how EVPs manifest. So we are doing different techniques with EVPs to hopefully start to rule out different sources.
Vibration
Air Pressure
Electormagnetic
are the first three we are looking at right now. _________________ If your not behind our Troops, please feel free to stand infront of them.
I have pretty conclusive evidence which indicates that EVP are NOT a result of air molecule propagation, nor a result of real world transmission, RFI, or EMF interference as has been suggested.
1. Loud whispers captured ONLY on 1 of 6 channels within the same 4" circumference area on multiple occasions.
2. The same whispered language captured on 4 separate occasions over a 2- month period - "Hurry David...It's waiting for you. It's waiting for me." And " Make it louder...Make it louder."
3. Whispers are NOT exposed under conventional analysis. While reducing mic gain to 0db has resulted in no audio, minor electronic amplification reveals EVP nearly every time..."Make it louder". The diaphram is an electronic, not vibratory "gateway" and is required for EVP exposure.
I have exposed voices in TAPS hunts which they missed (Fort Mifflin), again under their conventional analysis. My evidence indicates a form of communication in nearly every location...repeatedly. Please help me develop and further prove this original process. I need more recordings from various locations...the results are nearly guaranteed.
I am considering doing something along the same vain.
What I would like to do is take a MEMs or a peizio-electronic mic and a condenser mic and wire them so one mic is left and the other is right.
The condenser mic will pick up the EVP while the other will not. This would allow me to use phase cancellation to "erase" the sound created by sound waves, leaving ony the EVP.
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I have been thinking about this for a time and really dont think pressure waves could possibly be the answer. Sonic waves would be picked up by our own ears. Sometimes that happens too....but in the case of ones that appear mysteriously on our devices.....I have other theories 
