Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Ouija Boards
A new show on the FLN channel Tuesday at 10:00, and every night this week night had a family that used a Ouija Board. During that time they brought in what their psychic callled a demonic spirit.The psychic told them to burn it as away to get rid of the board ,But other psychics and researchers have said NOT to burn them but bury them.What is the best way to do away with a Ouija Board? _________________ {Definitions} ORBs- Dust balls from heaven sent down to aggravate the hell out of all of us. cwf081166- Ghost Hounds member formerly known as doctorx.
Joined: Feb 24, 2007 Posts: 151 Location: Near London UK
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:11 am Post subject:
Urrghh Ouija boards...
OK the board is just the focus..the people using it are what cause the connection or the door to open..
It's all about intention..tarot cards crystal balls..are all focus tools used to connect...
When I dabbled and got more than I bargained with my home made board I snapped it in half and threw it in the bin...and forgot about it or tried..
Some say to burn it or bury it,,whatever works for you but they are addictive and seem to call to you to rescue them from the fire or the bin...so you need to be strong and cleanse b4 and after you have got rid of it..
..Surround yourself with white light and go about your day and dont think about it...and dont mess about with em EVER...in my long career as a psychic all they do is attract low level energy...
But rememeber if you do use them pray b4 and after and know that its NOT who you think your speaking to 98% of the time...
Joined: Jul 11, 2006 Posts: 659 Location: Riverdale, Ga
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:30 am Post subject:
I have seen where some have wrapped it up, binded it sideways and longways and buried it. I would just not bother it in the first place. Scary stuff. Burning it may release something you do not want released.
The Ouija board is pretty uh I guess controversial in the modern day paranormal investigating world,I personaly own a Ouija board myself.I used it once a couple of years ago didn't have a bad experience then again not a good one either,but the board has remaind in my closet since then.
Though I have thought about breaking it out again sometims soon
The only time I had any experence with a Ouija board. I was five and my mother brought it out for some reason.It was only Her and my self, Nothing happen,But two days latter we were in my bed room cleaning my closet, and when we were both in the closet the door closed and we couldn't get out.There wasn't a lock on the door,But she beat the door out of the frame with a large toy Tonka truck.I keep it for years in my toy box until we had ice storM. They make a great sled. _________________ {Definitions} ORBs- Dust balls from heaven sent down to aggravate the hell out of all of us. cwf081166- Ghost Hounds member formerly known as doctorx.
Joined: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 332 Location: Sugar Hill, GA
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject:
I have innately steered clear of those boards my whole life.
I will say that many of the demonic cases I am working involve the use of a ouija board.
I also have a friend who still wrestles with demonic issues after playing with a board in her college days.
Joined: Apr 30, 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Oakland County, Michigan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:10 am Post subject:
My grandmother introduced me to Ouijas when I was about 11 years old. I still have them- she gave them both to me. They are in the backyard shed under a bunch of crap and flotsam, but nevertheless, I still have them because they remind me of her.
One, I used as decoration in my old house when I was into "celestial" decor, because it had nifty looking stars and suns on it. I had it propped up against the wall with other things that looked similar. It freaked my mom out and also my neighbor, but it was just a peice of painted fiber board, in my opinion. I haven't used them since I was a teenager though. I don't remember any spirits coming through- unless I was just too naive to know better at the time, which is probably the case. It was more like, am I going to marry so and so? Teenagery things. I might add, whoever said I was going to marry so and so, was dead wrong
As an adult, I have a psychic ability that I can't reign in, and it frustrates me to the point that sometimes I just ignore it. Some ugliness comes through once in a while but nothing I would say is Demonic. So, thanks for the nightmares Grandma. Lol. Just kidding. We had fun with those boards, and I still remember the day she showed them to me for the first time.
I do not use them today and don't recommend them to anyone. They could still actually be -just- painted fiber board. Something that has no actual power until we give it some, however, I still don't know and wouldn't bet on it.
As I understand it Ouija Boards are more or less a gateway that opens a door between the spirit realm and our own. I too have experiences with them. Not many of them were good so I tend to believe angry or evil spirits look forward to their use because, again I believe - don't know for sure and couldn't say if it's true or not, they seem to give them stronger access to this world. I'd advise against using them too.
To get rid of it I would suggest getting it blessed. Then destroy it by smashing it into little bits and then throw it out removing the trash container it's in as far from your home as you can RIGHT AWAY.
Burying it, burning it, or anything like that would be partially doing a "spell" on it. Which I'd highly advise against doing in any way, shape, or form. Use your human and physical abilities to destroy it without attracting any paranormal or spirit activity to it. Get the thing as far from your home and family as possible, and forget about it.
Joined: Jul 11, 2006 Posts: 659 Location: Riverdale, Ga
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:02 am Post subject:
I posted a response to Bort awhile back, but maybe it just did not post.. If you believe the board has the possibility of responding to human questions, then how do you know that spells do or do not work? If you burn it or use every "human ability" to destroy it, why not try to do it with respect? I know I would not want to unleash something that could come back to bite me in the butt...
Joined: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 85 Location: kennesaw, ga.
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject:
I am of the firm idea that they are not good to use, especially for teens and unsuspecting people that just want answers of some sort.
the info on the box says for ages 12 and up, that is not right. I have a thought that they are harmless until they are used, and then they become a tool for evil or angry spirits bent on trouble making. The poor people that use them then find themselves in a place where they do not want to be.
I received one when I was 13 for christmas, and it would never work while my fingers were on it or i was within a few feet of it.
it worked for my mom and sisters and scared the crap out of them.
since it did not work for me, I tossed it, and nevr gave it another worry.
years later when I was in my early 20's, I saw a medium, and she wason the spot with her devinings. she told me to never ever use a o. board, because they were like a gateway for bad things, and hard to control once released in to our realm. I told her about mine when i was 13, and that it did not work, she replied that, my spiritual light was so bright, and strong, and I had abilities, it prevented anything from being released, I would have the strength to send it back, and it would rather wait for a user it could control, or intimidate. surprised me! So, from then on, will not fool with them or be around when one is being used and will not knowingly allow one in to my home. so, yeah, I believe the untrained and psychically weak can be "playing " around and unknowingly cause harm.
Bimmy
Joined: Oct 12, 2006 Posts: 69 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject:
i messed with some homemade ones when i was a kid. i had three VERY memorable experiences with them. two weren't necessarily bad, just VERY freaky. the third was absolutely terrifying. so much so i don't even really like talking about it.
nothing ever carried over and continued on. however, i would just recommend not messing with them.
Private home Massachusetts, A 62 year old women claims to be contacting a dead female spirit using a Ouija board. The spirit has identified herself as Doris
I received a call from a very good friend who stated there is a lady in The Boston area who can receive messages from a spirit using a Quija board. I asked him if she claimed to be a psychic or if she claimed to have any psychic ability. He already asked these questions and was told she did not display any special powers or unusual behavior until she purchased a Ouija board.. I said I was not interested in investigating something he and I can explain and duplicate. I ended my conversation thinking that was the end of it.
A few days later he called me back. He was excited and said you have to see this. I said see what, “he blurts out”, the Ouija board lady. He said you would not believe the demonstration I witnessed. He related the following story.
He went to the client’s house with the lady’s brother; he asked her if it was possible to communicate with the spirit in his presence. She said she would try and proceeded to get the Ouija board. She sat down and placed the board on her lap. She then asked if the spirit was present. Within moments the planchette moved to yes. She then asked the name of the spirit. The spirit complied and spelled out the name Doris. More questions were asked and the spirit answered them all. No questions were asked by the investigator.
So I inquired about his tone of excitement and said nothing unusual about what he just related. He then said, it was the speed of the planchette moving on the board. “His direct quote was”. The indicator spelled out answers faster then an experienced typist. I paused and tried to imagine what I just heard. Now he has my attention. But I am not convinced she is communicating with a spirit or a phenomenon I couldn’t explain. A Ouija board can be purchased at Wal-Mart for a few dollars. It’s a toy right. “OR IS IT”
He made an appointment for another demonstration. We brought two video recorders and a list of well prepared questions. I asked her would the spirit respond if I asked all the questions. She didn’t seem to think that would be a problem. She agreed and seemed to be excited about the idea of a video. She asked for a copy when we finished.
The first camera was set up for a complete frontal view capturing her hands and face. The second camera was at a slight right angle directed more on the hands and board.
Would the spirit communicate with camera’s rolling? We all know how spirits and ghost’s appear to be camera shy.
I won’t list all the questions asked, and answered. I will explain what happened. Remember I asked all the questions. And I examined the board and planchette.
As soon as I asked a question the planchette immediately went to spell out the answer. I can only relate the speed at which they were answered .Nothing less then remarkable. The speed of a laser presentation pointer. I’m holding a pad of paper and pencil and I can’t record the answers.That’s how fast the planchette is moving across the board.
I stop the questions. The cameras are still rolling. I asked her if she could communicate with the spirit using a different Ouija board. I had purchased one and left it in the car. She had a puzzled look on her face. She agreed to give it a try. With a new board. I asked if the spirit was in the room. Long pause, planchette does not move. The question was again repeated. No response, I asked if she thought the spirit had left. She said she didn’t know. I asked if she wanted to continue using her board. She said she would try.
I had one more request . I asked her if she was truly communicating with a spirit could she get the same results BLIND FOLDED.
To my surprise she agreed and said she did not think this would be a problem. Now I’m thinking. (Game Over)
Doris are you still here. Planchette moves, answer yes, I quickly ask another question. Planchette spells out the correct answer. I notice this time I can keep up with the planchette and record on paper what is being spelled out. A total of 12 questions were answered and all spelled out correctly.
The only difference being the speed was noticeably much slower.
Was the Ouija really communicating with a spirit? How could we explain the speed at which the answers were given. How could she do this blind folded and spell out the answers correctly. Was the spirit guiding her. Does she possess a gift. Is this a classic case of unexplainable phenomenon. Can we really communicate with a spirit with an object purchased at Wal-Mart.
Comments.
I will admit this was an experience and one I will not forget, to say the least it was amusing and entertaining and she had me thinking about how she was doing this. I watched the video several times. I made my own conclusions. The obvious question, was she peeking through the blind fold.
I can only say I’ am confident she was not. So how did this remarkable lady do this. I knew it was a trick but like most tricks I don’t know how they are performed. If it is a trick, how was it done?
Practice, and more practice. She displayed the best hand eye coordination and thought process I have ever seen. I can honestly say she can be compared to a well trained Marine who can assemble his weapon quicker then you can say Marine. A combat trained Marine can assemble his weapon in pitch black conditions with a slightly slower pace. I would suggest the Ouija lady would have made a very good Marine.
My explanation is she memorized the board.
Does this explanation seem likely? Did she really take the time to memorize the lay out of the Ouija board? How many hours of practice did it take to master this incredible mystifying illusion, what would be her reason.
Did I prove it can not only be done but duplicated? I did except my explanation as plausible for the simple reason. When blind folded the speed of the planchette was noticeable slower She appeared to be thinking instead of reacting. We can all type and spell with out looking at the key board, so with practice we should be able to push a triangle shaped object to spell out words.
Background
Doris the spirit: Was Doris Larkin, she died in 1923 at the age of 27 believed to live in The Massachusetts area. How she died was not clear. Possible accident. Spirit could not remember.
A history search proved negative. No information on Doris was ever confirmed.
One more note..
Did I waste my time with nonsense? NO, I loved the experience and would do it again. After all, it beats sitting in a dark house all night waiting for reported objects to be hurled into the air.
Final note. Why did she do it? She lived alone and had very little company. A Lonely lady looking for a little attention.
Joined: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 85 Location: kennesaw, ga.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:49 am Post subject:
Cool! It is interesting to hear about accounts, but as for myself, I will continue to remain as far away as possible from them, or the use of them. Thank you for the info. It is all so often true that we neglect the emotional wellbeing of our elderly. They are fonts of information and history lived,and their memory may be spotty at times in some, others have remarkable powers of recall and I am more than willing to sit at the feet of an older person and give them my undivided attention, should they wish to share their life stories! Bimmy
Joined: Aug 22, 2006 Posts: 198 Location: alpharetta ga,
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:02 am Post subject:
I personally have seen the dark side of what the board can bring in. I think that they should have a total ban from it ever being sold again. If more people would stop using them you would see a dramatic drop in the demonic cases. The best way I have heard to get rid of them is by burying them. Just be careful about choosing the right location though. _________________ Scott
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Joined: Apr 30, 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Oakland County, Michigan
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:
What if I were to devise a cardboard one with a home made planchette, like, say a fork or a pen, and I were able to get a response from it?...I don't think it's the Ouja Board per se (It's painted fiber board with letters on it), it's the intention behind it. What about any other method of q and a with the spirit world? Like a K2 meter, a digital dowsing method, a Hack Shack box...they all have the same intention. So while we say that a Quija is a no- no (I'm not disagreeing with anyone, either, just saying), why not a K2, etc? Aren't we opening the same sort of door? If you really think about it, you may as well take a Ouja on an investigation with you. Same thing. Yes? No?
Joined: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 332 Location: Sugar Hill, GA
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:
I just finished reading a book called "Hostage to the Devil" and one part of it really jumped out at me. The demonic needs permission/consent to gain entry into your life.
What I never really recognized until I read this book is that the word "Ouija" is actually a combination of the French word "Oui" and the German word "Ja"...both mean YES. So the word "Ouija" literally translates to Yes, Yes.
In my opinion, it's basically IMPLIED CONSENT! I think they see the Ouija as a "loophole" if you will.
I also would like to add that I just worked another case where the entry point was the Ouija.
Joined: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 85 Location: kennesaw, ga.
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject:
Never thought of it that way, Kristen, but you are absolutely right.
it is possible since it is a "toy" that when an untrained person uses it,they do not ask for protection, ora blessing. It does indeed become a loophole for consent.
I was told that the stronger your faith, and the brighter your soul light is, you are noticed. By good and bad spirits. I have been tormented a few times, and it was after I had surgery.
They would come at night and pinch me, growl in my ears, and try and keep me awake. made me afraid to take my pain pills. I finally had a friend write me a prayer to say, to keep them at bay.
I have also had reams where they try and twmpt me to do thingds I would never do, like levitate, astral project, and some how, I knew not to give in and to just hold strong.
The worst attack I had was at age 28, and I was just about to go to sleep and I jerked full awake and could feel them circling my bed. they wanted me very bad.
But before they could do anything but grab me in the side, my grandmother came and she brought some angel warriors with her. I saw the ring of protection they made around me,and could hear quite clearly, "you will not have her, she is ours and you will not take her" they stayed around for a while until the nasty visitors were gone. It was one of the most fierce experiences I have ever had. so, yes, the board, or k2, are the same for principles'sake. We just need to make sure we are protected and safe. Bimmy
Joined: Aug 22, 2006 Posts: 198 Location: alpharetta ga,
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject:
I agree with Kristin on this too about the K-2 can have the same effect as the board, and I thank you for bringing that up. Has anyone ever heard a demonic coming through on a K-2? It’s something to think about for sure. I have thought about this a few times but personally with all the times I have used it nothing bad has happened and have yet to picked up anything demonic. It’s scary to think that something could come across while on it. _________________ Scott
("The best feeing in the world is to know that life really begins in the next one and that the present is about learning." "James Van Praagh")
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Joined: Apr 30, 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Oakland County, Michigan
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject:
In my opinion, it's basically IMPLIED CONSENT! I think they see the Ouija as a "loophole" if you will.
I knew that Oui Ja thing meant yes, yes. I never did see it as an invitation or a consent by it being written on the board. I never did put much thought into why it was there to begin with. I can see that.
Though, with any peice of equipment, we are giving consent because we are asking them to communicate with us, to touch us, to affect us so that we know they are present. Yes? That is more than implied consent. It's directly presented as an option for them. I'm just trying to determine if any of these devices we use are one in the same. We say that Ouijas are not to be used but I think...that we could get into the same trouble with any equipment we try. If we were to come to a consent that they are the same type of thing, then would anyone quit using them? I personally am fascinated with the K2, but it's the same type of exchange as a ouija without them having the ability to spell out some answers.
What if someone were to make a Oui Ja board that said Non, Nyet or No on it and then asked questions of the spirit world? Just having it say No No but everything else stayed the same.
As an aside, Laurie, tell us about your cases, could you? If you're at liberty to just give details without specific info, I think people would love to hear about them...start another thread maybe? I understand if you're not comfortable with that but if you would give just general info that would be great. I think it's fascinating what you're doing. I could never do it. I'm sure any investigator is tempting fate with something more demonic but knowlingly working with demons on purpose? No spank you...
Joined: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 332 Location: Sugar Hill, GA
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:25 am Post subject:
Kristin,
I am glad you are presenting these points and they are still something that I am working out myself. Although I have participated in *numerous* EVP sessions, K-II sessions etc...I have never been entirely comfortable with them.
I am even less so after my involvement with the demonic realm. It seems that 9 out of 10 cases that we deal with have some relation to the use of the Ouija Board.
We recently did an exorcism on a 21 year old girl. A K-II meter was placed under the chair she was sitting in and when she manifested during the proceedings, the meter activated and was buried in the red.
Her Father had passed away when she was 16 and "he" came to her daily for a year and a day. Unfortunately...it was NOT her Father visiting. It was the demonic pretending to be him so that they could gain entry to her when she was in a vulnerable state. Since she "thought" it was her Dad, she was a willing participant and allowed them access to her. We had to really battle with that one as it had quite a hold on her.
Another case our team worked recently was related to the board. The client had lost a friend at the age of 16 and used a Ouija board to try and contact him. He used the board *often* and guess what? It was NOT his friend he was communicating with all this time. It is my opinion that it also has possibly affected his wife and his young child because he opened the doorway for it.
I do need to stress at this juncture that I do this work because I feel I was "called" to it. I have been told that I have "discernment" when it comes to the demonic. I do believe that the people that need our help are put in our path so that we may offer them assistance. People dealing with demonic issues have even less resources than others so I have a special place in my heart for them.
Joined: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 85 Location: kennesaw, ga.
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:38 am Post subject:
Wow, a lot of food for thought. Seems to me that the unknown really is an unknown element, and that playing with items that help the otherworld communicate, we are always taking a chance with what ever appears, or comes through. we have no way of knowing if they are telling the truth or lying to gain acceptance. I always say a prayer of protection at night for my house and friends and family, and in our other house, I had a spirit that fed off of anger, and the hub and I had some really bad fights over nothing. so when he took a business trip one time for a week, aI had the house cleaned of evil.
It took care of the problem and when the hub got back, there were no big fights to speak of.
I also had territorial ghosts there too, as we lived on one of the civil war encampment grounds. There must have been a sentry that made rounds as duty, and i would hear them clomp up the stairs, check all the rooms, and then check on me, and leave... it was quite disconcerting at first, but it made me feel secure. they also protected the house too, so when the hub went away, I never felt all alone, as they were there with me.
In our present home, I have 2 that caem last year, and communicate regularly even daily at times, and I do not have to use any kind of equipment, and I have
"live in" companions. I also asked for protection and that they respect the house rules, of no evil, malicious,hurtful or harmful tricks be allowed, and that they not scare my hub or cat. One actually manifested one night, in the bedroom, and must have thought it was me, but i was in the living room reading, and heard an awful scream from the bedroom!! the hub wears a c-pap at night. Well he said he opened his eyes and saw a figure at the end of the bed! He said he was screaming to scare him away, but it sounded like a scairdy scream to me. I had a hard time not laughing,as he does not believe in ghosts at all, but tolerates my like of them. I bet the poor guy was as afraid as the hub was! but anyway, I seem to have them here with me, i have even asked if they want to pass on, and they say no, they are here by choice and do k now I can help them go to the light when they are ready.
I was worried they were here and held here somehow. but there are also passer byes that come in for a bit them move on. There is an older woman that likes my bed and bedroom, and likes to be in there and have quiet. One tme I came in with the cat for a nap, and we were making too much noise, and I actually caught her on the recorder telling us " QUIET!" so, nap time we are much more quiet. I think our cat that died Jan. 08 comes around too, I have seen him, and felt him jump up on the bed with us. we keep the door closedat night as the other cat likes to wake up at 5am. so, it is not her. so, I am with you when you say it all depends. Bimmy
Joined: Apr 30, 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Oakland County, Michigan
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:18 am Post subject:
Hi Laurie,
Just what you just told us is fine...that's what I meant. Just the story behind it and how you got involved, or why they contacted someone. It's just interesting. I wonder, has that type of thing not happened to one of us during one of our investigations, or ongoing investigations. We think we are talking to Johnny so and so and it is not him. Ofcourse that's possible, we've always known it was possible. Plus, I've read accounts on here that people thought they have brought something home with them, so we know that is possible also.
The more we think about this, the more there is to think about.
Bimmy, I have had activities in my homes over the years, too. Seems like there is a burst of activities and then quiet. My first home had a regular, but this one is just sporadic and they seem to be different. It's not the house, it's us. I am thinking that these people or entities know that my daughter and I can see or hear. And, my husband is smelling them. We have a smoker that hangs around us. And, I had to chuckle when I read yours. Looks like we have a cat, too. One night I was in my office working, late, and- we have two live cats- one was curling around my bare feet and legs and chair, purring. One of mine does that, but she's a pretty fat cat and will just sit next to me and meow until I pet her, or she'll lay down by me. She can't actually curl around with any catlike agility. I reach down to pet her and start talking to her, and no cat. This was as soft and warm as a live cat and I could feel the purring. I don't remember hearing it though. Go look for cats, they are both sound asleep pretty far away in the house, not one minute later. The same cat has jumped up onto my bed and walked all over my daughter back and forth when she is sleeping on the couch...lol. Well not so funny on my bed, and I still wonder if that actually WAS a cat. Ugh...happened only once thankfully.
Anyway, this is getting way off the beaten path. This is a ouija thread...sorry. Just thinking about all this, like I said, creates more to think about.
My husband has even said, why don't I (not him, me) do an EVP session in the house, or a K2 experiment and my answer was absolutely NO. I tried to explain to him that it's an invitation for more activities that I don't want in the house with me or the kids, particularly when he's away driving. I'm not scared of them, if it's just a person here or there, but if it's something not human, I don't want to invite it in. He thinks that it will just be for informational purposes to answer some questions. On top of that, I just don't want to hear anything unpleasant.
Joined: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 85 Location: kennesaw, ga.
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:51 am Post subject:
Hi Kristen,
yes, me to. any time someone mentions using a board, I just leave.
most of the time, when I was younger, in my 20's, a friend had one and it never worked when i was in the room. they made me go outside.
this was before the
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