Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: Protection methods, Phychic Attacks, Grounding
I had no idea what to call this I have started this post as it was turning into a debate on another.Please keep in mind there are NO experts in what I do, just more advanced skills. If anyone presents themselves as an expert, run. If they present themselves as a teacher, and what they teach feels good, listen. What people teach, post, and say is out in the universe to reap its consequences.
Psychic attacks are pretty rare, unless you are throwing energies to an unwilling participant that is on the left hand.
I consider myself pretty developed in this area, and as long as I keep my self balanced, grounded, protected, and shut astral doors as I move in and out, no issues. Trust me, there are people out there that are light years ahead of me. Let me share what I have learned.
For anyone to blindly state that at a high level of development opens your self to attacks is completely wrong. One does not achieve that level of enlightenment with out knowing how to protect oneself. It is the dabblers, and untrained that open astral doors that they have no idea how to shut and or have no idea they opened one. If they also start throwing energies around to an unwanted participant that is highly developed, and the unwanted party is on the left hand of things, well there are dire consequences.
Another area of concern is someone who is starting trance channeling. (ME) If they are not ready, they have physical side affects. I for one am not open or attacks and negative influences because I take care of myself, ground and clear my channels once a week (shut it off), use protection methods (not condoms), and do not move into a new development phase with out fully knowing what I am doing.
Keep in mind that those of us that have been doing this for years are very humble and we down play our "gifts". With the right training anyone can do what we do. In the last week I have been made aware that there could me more protect methods and people out there that could benefit what I do. I will explore this. We never stop learning as we are not the Dali Lama.
If you do not know what you are doing before going into a developmental meditation, do not do it. If you do not know how to protect yourself on any level, do not do it. If there is a shadow of a doubt with your skills or your teachers, do not try this at home. If you are messing with group of negative people, stop.
No matter what religion or creed you are, if you play in high levels of astral planes (if you can even get there) you will open your self to "attacks" and unwanted energies. Each religion and creed as its protection methods. Find what works for you. If you are just starting out, get help from a person, not a book.
Anyone to blindly state that a person of a highly evolved "gift" is more open to attacks is very wrong, we are better protect and better prepared. And frankly, we know not doors to open.
Hope this helps. Specific questions PM me. Keep in mind I am no expert. I have found my path through my teachers, research, trail and error. I am not an expert, nor is my gift better than anyone elses. It takes training to run a marathon, I started out at a slow jog. At times in my developement, I feel like I am starting all over.
Great post Michelle . I think one of my biggest concerns lately is the amount of information that is blindly being posted on the net for anyone to read . It is dangerous for some young people and even adults to just read those posts and then just go out and do it .
My GD is 10 very impressionable and I already see where this can happen . She is entranced with the metaphysical .
Thank you for the "proceed with caution" post . _________________ Shelley Hobbs
Investigator :Vermont
Okemo Valley Ghost Investigations
It's always tricky to develop these talents as it can damage you in many ways if you play around in the wrong areas too soon and too much.....You wont even realize the damage done until too late in many cases....It's not necessarily because something wants to do you harm but it can be as simple as you not being mentally capable at this time to handle the enormity of the energies you are trying to take in.....Not to mention knowing how to let go of that energy once you have it inside....
Until I learned to shut out things around me I isolated in order to protect myself....Even then it was difficult because it came through the walls LOL.....
But really it is so important to learn protection before jumping into things you do not understand....
Before learning to block I was losing my mind, simply because I didn't understand what I was dealing with and had met no one who could explain it to me.....I was also always ill.....Now because I spent so long unable to stop what was happening to me I have illness's that I should not have for another 30 years.....It aged me drastically because it ate at my life force and the stress caused me to age as well....I learned to block out of self defense but it would have been much easier to learn it in a way that I had control over.....Plus because I thought I was crazy (as did the mental health professionals) I was taking medications for psychosis which also caused some of these diseases to speed up in my system.....I also still have problems with learning to let go of what comes because for one it can be incredibly amazing to feel some of it, and also because I simply do not know how to let go of some of the more tricky things.....
So Michelle's warning is immensly important....First and foremost do no harm! That includes to yourself.....Delving into this kind of thing without some sort of training and without caution is like getting behind the wheel of a car and thinking you can drive in downtown new york at rush hour.....Only worse!
Way to go Fay!!! And remember, I am here for anyone who just needs to talk about it. I was thinkng of having a monthly medum circle, a support group if you will, but I have absolutely no time. Where is that lotery ticket??
"For anyone to blindly state that at a high level of development opens your self to attacks is completely wrong"
This statement is both true and false, in my understanding. When you start to attain a higher level of development, you do NOT suddently become more open to spiritual or psychic attacks--but you do become more attractive to the entities of the spiritual world. An analogy I've read is that, if the general populaton around you each is a candle flame, when you start to attain a higher level of development, you suddenly become a flare. This flare makes you stand out from your background, which attracts entities--they're curious, and some (very few) want your warmth and postiive energy. The good news is, as you continue on your developmental path and become more balanced, you no longer stand out from the background,unless you are purposely trying to attract something. Mediums, I understand, are slightly different--since the spirits and entities know you can hear them, and since they thrive on being noticed and acknowledged, they will seek you out regardless.
The problem in this work comes when you start to shine like a flare, and at the same time send out mixed signals (usually because you are not grounded or whole inside yourself). Much of the work of spiritual development and learning to use your gifts is the very difficult work of learning yourself, so you know what your true intentions and motivations are. If you're beginning a meditation practice (which is not the same thing as simply meditating regularly) and start to emit higher energy vibrations, while at the same time you're still very ambivalent about yourself and those around you, you're going to attract matching energies, and some of those might decide to enjoy the buffet you've spread out.
Self protection in any form starts with positive energy. I like Kimberly's prayer from the other thread, since it asks the Higher Power to fill the petitioner with positive energy--an absolute necessity in this field. No matter how well trained you are in psychic self-protection, if there's any negativity inside you, you're going to be more vulnerable, and it's best to get yourself to a positive state of being before practicing.
"Psychic attacks are pretty rare, unless you are throwing energies to an unwilling participant that is on the left hand. "
I'm going to respectfully disagree with this statement. True psychic attacks (a purposeful sending of negative intent by one person towards another) are very rare, but they do happen, and very rarely depend upon the recipient having sent energy towards an unwilling person. They also don't depend on the attacker being of the "left hand"--I've known of psychic attacks that were unconscious, and I've also known of attacks that the attacker truly believed inside themselves were helpful (those are very difficult to ward off). What I think you're referring to is not a psychic attack, but instead the return of energy from an unwilling participant to the original sender. Let's say I decide to send some "helpful" energy to Fay (hi Fay!). Now, unbeknownst to my conscious self (since I've been neglecting my developmental work a bit), I'm harboring a bit of a grudge towards Fay about a post she made last week. Nothing really, just a slight irritation. So, I send her what I think is a healing ray, but when it reaches her boundaries, the negative bit is detected and returned (she's been working on her shields). Out of the blue, I'm not feeling well and things start going wrong. Have I been attacked psychically? Nope--I've received a return of the energies I sent. Does the fact that I received negative energy back from Fay mean she's on the darker side of things? Again, no--it just means she's using a mirror-type shield rather than a grounding-type shield. Did I bring this about myself? Yep, that part is true--I sent energy out without being totally, 100% sure of my intentions and feelings.
I'm going to stop here, since I could literally go on all day about this subject. In the interest of keeping it somewhat in line with this message board, I'll close by saying that, for the paranoraml investigator, the biggest protection you can have is to be grounded and positive, and don't be afraid to skip an investigation if you're emotionally unsettled.
Hehe, yep you must know yourself VERY well! Which is why I am so careful to not send out things that have not been previously discussed and asked for.....You also want to have permission because of the exact example Pam was talking about.....You could think your intentions are pure, but in the end you could be dealing with some baggage you are unaware of.....
You have to be careful about where you are when dealing with anyone or anything else just as Pam said....
In the past I have done 2 bindings on people who were causing discomfort to my family....Luckily it is fairly easy for me to dissociate myself from my feelings and realize that I need to discard my emotional baggage towards those people in order to have them work effectively, plus I had to be able to put myself into their shoes entirely in order to wish them peace and love enough for the binding to work correctly......I have in the past thought to bind others but some of them I knew I was too emotionally involved with and could not come from a place of objectivity so I chose not to become involved.....
About a month after each binding the people moved and I have never heard from either of them again.....I have also had no consequences because my intent was so pure.....The first one I asked not bother my family anymore and I made it about my family dynamic this was my first and early on in my life, I think that one was more luck than anything that it worked correctly.....The second however I was able to drop into a place of complete love and nothing more for this family who had issues that they were truly unaware of....I merely asked that they find love and respect for their dynamic enough to leave my family out of their drama.....
I am so careful not to step into someone elses space unless invited because of a respect issue, and also because of the potential backlash.....
Pam I think I have dealt with backlash from being that flare mainly out of an inability to control or deal with my own abilities....My declining health is what makes me think so.....I am the poster child for the need to be careful when using or overusing your abilities especially if you do not know how to protect yourself, as I did not and still do not completely understand.....
Oftentimes I think my sightings of intelligent entities are ones that are curious about what I seem to expel, and draw.....I also draw people who need but don't have a lot to give back.....It's been that way since I was a small child.....Unfortunately my parents did not give me any sense of boundaries to keep from allowing those who need from drawing off of me and exhausting me......
Its like being in a river in the middle of the rapids quickly approaching the waterfall and not knowing how to swim....Even though I am powerful enough to probably make it to the shore I cannot swim so I flounder around getting hit with wave after wave of roiling water.....While also slipping under and swallowing large amounts of water because I don't understand how to hold my breath.....One of two things will get me in the end either the waterfall or drowning.....Luckily I have learned how to doggy paddle to start moving to the shore, and have learned how to hold my breath....Now I just need to learn to actually swim so i can make it more quickly to the shore and the safety of dry land.....
This is what it will be like for those who do not go in prepared......
We can all learn so much from eachother. Pam, I need to consider this as well, as it is a way i never thought before. I am very new to the energy exchange principles. You can teach us tons!!
wonderful post!! I have stumbled upon a book at Phoenix and Dragon that litteraly says exactly what you just posted. Interesting!!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: Psychic Abilities
MicheleMyBell wrote:
We can all learn so much from eachother. Pam, I need to consider this as well, as it is a way i never thought before. I am very new to the energy exchange principles. You can teach us tons!!
wonderful post!! I have stumbled upon a book at Phoenix and Dragon that litteraly says exactly what you just posted. Interesting!!!
Hi, Michele - What is the name of the book ? I have been focusing upon this area of thought as well this week.
Thank you, Michele, Pam & Fay and other GHers for sharing this discussion on energy exchange. Your posts answer for me an important question before I'd even come to formulate asking it! Do U also find this a common experience in learning about spiritual energy ? !
Thank you so much for your analogy of swimming in strong water currents while learning about spiritual energy exchange.
I believe that we are all " swimming in it together". We are so blessed to have one another's offer of help and kind, thoughtful energies.
Active waters, intensive spiritual energiy, so to speak in our household and community this week with the tragic death of a very loved, high energy ( physically & spiritualy) friend -a high schooler in a horrific car accident. No alcohol or irresponsibility involved. It was due to a dark, rainy night on a crowded country road. There is SO much heartache around, especially for the young people who have never felt such a loss.
So much positive energy around too, due to the young man and his familys' high spiritual energy and strong spiritual beliefs and faith. A wonderful bunch. The hundreds of mourning people at the memorial service left at peace, comforted by the high quality and quantity of love high energy the family and community shared through the life lived by this young man.
Many people went home recommitted to loving their family members. In more than one household, a door closed for many years reopened with a simple hug.
Thank you for helping me search for some ways to further flow this possitive, high, bright energy through out the mourning group and to sustain this flow when the shock of the tragedy has worn off and one becomes more venerable to feelings of anger & depression if energy quality and light disipates.
I am almost hesitant to post things or assume a teacher role, because what you put out out there comes back. I am very confident in my abilities and my ability to screw up my own life, I do not want to assume responsibility for missguiding any one. I have to admit I re read the whole string because of the great info that was on it. The geek in me took notes and I realized how preachy and pompus I sounded. Is it because I can behind behind words?
For that I apologize, that is not my personality, and I certianly do not want to see like I have an ego because I am litterally quite nothing in the midst of my peers.
Joined: Feb 23, 2006 Posts: 72 Location: Alpharetta, GA
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: Psychic Abilities
MicheleMyBell wrote:
I am almost hesitant to post things or assume a teacher role, because what you put out out there comes back. I am very confident in my abilities and my ability to screw up my own life, I do not want to assume responsibility for missguiding any one. I have to admit I re read the whole string because of the great info that was on it. The geek in me took notes and I realized how preachy and pompus I sounded. Is it because I can behind behind words?
For that I apologize, that is not my personality, and I certianly do not want to see like I have an ego because I am litterally quite nothing in the midst of my peers.
My thoughts.
Hi, Michele -
I just had to respond to your thoughts shared above - i feel that you are being too critical of yourself, too harsh on your motives for sharing and the value of what you share. Oh, wow aren't we all so immesurably small in the universe of existense and of ideas ... when every bit of "knowledge" we "aquire" just seems to point out how much we indeed do not really know ? ! .
Hey, aren't we all just stumbling around alot in life - as if someone sometimes turns off the proverbial lights and we're just a bunch of bumbles bumping into one illusion or mistake after another.
I feel, myself really thankful for the thoughts and ideas you've very carefuly considered and put out there to share. I feel too that you've done so with the intention of truly extending help out to others, what ever you have to offer with good will.
Even if the ideas fall flat, I am thankful that there's someone out there who cares enough, has the compassion to offer it out - if it's just a caring word, or a ridiculously nasty or silly something or even just to say a "hello out there back at cha "because even in a life full of people and clammer, it can get PRETTY lonely out here.
So, what I am bumbling about trying to say, Michele, is thank you for what you share, for your thoughfulness, for the shout out from you. my friend
Interesting view. I like to use this illustration. Everyone with a sound body can run. Some are better built to run marathons and naturally can run them with little training. Some can run them with lots of training and constant work. Some will never go beyond a jog. They are just not built that way.
It has been my experience that some people are better built for my line of work and require very little training. Some can do it but have to work harder at it. Some can keep up a level of sensitivity that is a slow jog if you will. What enhances or holds us back from reaching the highest level is the limitations we put on our selves and the fact most humans were never made to run a psychic marathon.
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I think this little story fits in here . It illustrates how unconsciously we can affect others .
At one time my son and daughter in law were having a LOT of trouble withan unstable woman who had become infatuated with my son . ( Strong emotions here ).
One day my DiL and I were discussing the problem , and at the same time we were playing with modeling clay with my Granddaughter . My son was in one of his moods at the time , angry about the situation . On the table were some clay people we had made . He yelled this one's T**** and grabbed the clay person by the arm and threw it .
None of us thought anything of it until I saw the woman a few weeks later . Her arm was in a sling . seems she had fallen and broken her arm .....Coincidence ??? _________________ Shelley Hobbs
Investigator :Vermont
Okemo Valley Ghost Investigations
I would not be surprised at all if it was more than a coincidence....
Being an empath shows me how easy it is to collect energy both directed at you and not directed at you.....Plus your sons feelings were full of energy, stronger than usual in all likelyhood....Any extreme emotions are extremely powerful, and it is likely to create frictions you wont expect.....
Counselors have to be exceptionally careful because they can send out, unwittingly of course (or so I hope), their own feelings and agendas to vulnerable people which can cause damage in and of itself.....
Which is why you have to have permission when sending anything to another person no matter how well meaning you might be, no matter how well put together you think you are, and no matter how much you think your intentions are pure.....
First do no harm, second respect other people and yourself enough to not cross boundaries.....It isn't just dangerous to the other person it can be dangerous to you....Another persons psyche is exceptionally different from your own....Perceptions are extremely different, and they may have things in their own psyche you wont know how to deal with.....trust me on this I understand it better than many because I pick it up unwittingly.....Sometimes it is so frightening to be in someone elses head and not understand the context of what is in there......
If someone intends to expand a gift into dealing with tapping into another person psyche then find someone either learning too, or one who is willing to allow you to do that without issue....Never ever practice on anyone who does not know what you are doing and what they are going to be getting as a result.....It is a great disrespect to practice these things on an unknowing or unwilling participant......
The medical profession has to have permission to release someones medical information or to treat them for a reason....now think about the depth of what using a psychic ability on someone is.....It's not ethical to practice on an unknowing participant, just like it is not ethical to break into their home, to have a physical relationship with someone who is mentally impaired chemically or otherwise, or to take a look at personal documentation without permission......
So regardless of your intentions, regardless of your abilities (power wise) it is essential to respect another persons space first......
For me there is no argument here, it is simply a matter of treating people how you would like to be treated.....Privacy is a right everyone should expect and I am no exception with my abilities....
There is no issue in my mind of schooling or of training when doing certain things....If your participant is willing then please by all means feel free to try the waters....However if you are talking about looking into someone else's psyche or implanting anything into their heads without permission then please don't.....Permission first....Ability second....Is it possible to do it unwittingly? Yes, I am guilty of that....But in my world it's never ok to do it intentionally....The only time you have the right to do anything without permission is if you are protecting yourself or family, and then it is precautionary and aimed towards protecting your family not trying to change another.....
I also still think its important to learn certain things before going headlong into trying out abilities, one is how to stop putting yourself out there, the other is to protect your spirit while playing in those fields.....Going out can be easy coming back can be hard.....Its like circus acts, until they learn how to do the acrobatics they are on cables, they have nets, they protect themselves....In psychic abilities it is no different....If you don't know how to protect yourself, how will you be able to?
I have been trying to skirt some of this discussion and remain respectful....However I am finding I have to be more and more direct with my opinion on this because it is not a question of who is more trained, its a question of basic safety practices......If you do things haphazardly you are bound to get hurt or hurt someone else....
A damaged psyche is nothing to sneeze at, trust me I am the poster child for necessary cautions in psychic abilities.....15 years of mental health issues, 6 or so near death experiences at my own hand, and a need to isolate myself from society in order to just survive are all anyone needs to understand to see the pitfalls of not understanding the depth of your own abilities and the need for protection before using them......It can drive you to insanity, and it will if you are not properly prepared, and protected......Not to mention what the mental health community will do in order to "help" you.....
Even adults need to be properly educated and not just given information to run off to play in psychic funland.....Its more than a fun place, or a parlor game....Your very life can be at stake if it is taken lightly....True psychic abililty is not like spin the bottle to try out at parties.....
So please before delving in do real research and use common sense....Think about it, meditate on it, then think about it ten million more times before just jumping in with both feet.....Please protect yourself the same as you would before any other significant choice.....
I guess I am going to emotionally step out of this......
Santa I appreciate that you are a gifted and intelligent person, I am going to have to respectfully agree to disagree with some of the things you have said and leave it at that. We are different people with different perceptions.....
I have said how I felt about some of it and thats all I can do....I am not going to change your mind or how you feel about it and thats ok because we are different......On that same front you are not going to convince me to change my POV either.....
I am also not going to battle wits or ideology on these gifts because that is simply not who I am....Plus as I have stated I am an untrained empath with wild abilities so I cannot speak as to training but merely experience...
My opinions have been made clear and I can't offer more than that.....
I wish you the best in your studies, it sounds like an interesting topic, although a frightening one for me hehe.....It would be tough to link up with sociopathic, and psychopathic people.....
Santa...First of all my GD was 3 when that happened . Not only that but we would NEVER have told her any of it . as for reading it here , I highly doubt it . she is more into Disney Websites . _________________ Shelley Hobbs
Investigator :Vermont
Okemo Valley Ghost Investigations
If anyone is new to third eye viewing and would like to see a protective energy shield it can be witnessed by sitting at the back of a church facing a side wall. By turning to the front you will see everything in front of the first pew with a gold glow from floor to ceiling.
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I feel too that you've done so with the intention of truly extending help out to others, what ever you have to offer with good will.