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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: CEMETERY THEIVES Reply with quote
 
I was just watching the news that people are going into cemeteries and stealing the flower urns. What is the world coming to? Now this is going to make it harder for some of us who enjoy ghost hunting in cemeteries more difficult. Before this is all over with we may not be able to hunt in them anymore. Can you believe this crap?? They are selling the copper to recycling centers.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Oh thats not good. I don't understand that someone can stoop so low in doing something like that. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
That sucks!

But in our case we don't do cemetery investigations but it sure would be nice if everyone would respect cemeteries. I see alot of torn up cemeteries by me. Our team may take on one and adopt it and clean it up. I can't stand that!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
People have been vandalizing cemeteries for as long as I can remember...Usually it's kids tipping over the markers...Why...I guess for fun...I find any cemetery theft or destruction so wrong and disturbing Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: CEMETERY THEIVES Reply with quote
 
scaredycat wrote:
I was just watching the news that people are going into cemeteries and stealing the flower urns. What is the world coming to? Now this is going to make it harder for some of us who enjoy ghost hunting in cemeteries more difficult. Before this is all over with we may not be able to hunt in them anymore. Can you believe this crap?? They are selling the copper to recycling centers.


Sherri -

when my grandparents were buried 30 yrs ago in East Atlanta, there was a continuous problem with the grave urns being stolen from the graves. at first it was attributed to bored teens and then to people who wanted an ornamental vase to place their plastic flowers on their dining room table (don't ask why -it STILL looks like a cemetary urn!!)

but eventually someone got caught in the act and when they asked him why he was stealing cemetary urns he replied, "look at them -they are worth a bit of money with the copper in them."

the cemetary director laughed and replied, "uh, there isn't ANY copper in them! they are painted copper colored paint -they're ceramic and come from Japan. and they cost us about $5.00 to replace!!"

stupid people! and don't they look good now in those striped jumpers picking up beer cans off the side of the road?!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I simply could not fathom disturbing something left in reverance for those who have passed....

Personally I find the idea's of cemetaries morbid, but that is for me.....Cemetaries are sacred places for people who have lost loved ones, perhaps even for some who have passed...It is simply a matter of complete lack of care for others that lets people do things like this....

It is unfortunate that there are those who would find it acceptable to trespass in that manner.....

I am planning on going into a small cemetary close to my home to do a small investigation with a friend, however only the utmost reverance and respect are on my agenda.....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
Scum of the lowest common denominator. Period. Anyone that would desecrate someones resting place, let alone STEAL from it ought to be locked up for a very, very, VERY long time.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
may the people who steal anything from cemeteries be haunted by the spirits of the deceased who are buried there for all eternity.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
ghostgeek wrote:
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
Scum of the lowest common denominator. Period. Anyone that would desecrate someones resting place, let alone STEAL from it ought to be locked up for a very, very, VERY long time.


Amen brother....
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I agree with you Goldfollies and GG. I haven't been back to my grandparents graves since they died, but I know that Senor Skeptic's grandfather ALWAYS had the flower arrangements stolen from his grave. This happened EVERY time we went to put something on the grave. I can't tell you how infuriating it is that even in a small town people will desecrate cemetaries. These folks should be drawn and quartered! It makes me sad to see that people are so disrespectful. Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Dave and I were chatting today about an idea I have for a Florida License plate...."Save our Cemeteries" where the money goes to fix up and patrol our cemeteries.

Not a bad idea but how would one work on getting this going?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
H I am not sure but that soulds like an awesome idea to me. If I lived in Fl I would buy one
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
hkolln wrote:
Dave and I were chatting today about an idea I have for a Florida License plate...."Save our Cemeteries" where the money goes to fix up and patrol our cemeteries.

Not a bad idea but how would one work on getting this going?


start with your local representative and then go to your state representative. this is their jurisdiction to listen to your ideas as their constituent.

anything that comes up within a state whether it be a law or a idea which benefits the state as a whole has to enter the state congress as a bill and then be discussed and eventually voted into law or edict.

call your district rep first.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Robbing graves, in my opinion, is like raping the dead. Total worthless cowards who feel real tough when its one-sided and the dead can't fight back. Mad Evil or Very Mad Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Yep, we know a state legislator personally so I think we'll bring it past him first.

I have all the information from DMV on how to go about it. Just have to get the ball rolling and get people involved.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I think one of the problems you will have are most cemeteries are privately owned, therefor the state would not be involved in the upkeep of them...but love your idea....go for it. Dance
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Just a thought to ponder, so PLEASE don't start jumping all over me....

There's a long-standing phrase - - "You can't take it with you." I don't believe desecration to cemeteries means anything to the dead. My personal belief is that the souls of those who die move on (most of them at least). If they become stuck here, it's probably because of a spiritual lesson that needs to be learned (forgiveness, self-forgiveness, or that what's important is not the material).

I believe it's those who are left behind who feel the violation from the desecration..... not those who passed on.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
Goldfollies wrote:
I think one of the problems you will have are most cemeteries are privately owned, therefor the state would not be involved in the upkeep of them...but love your idea....go for it. Dance


This is quite true, and thankfully the vast majority of cemeteries that are privately owned - especially newer ones - have established a trust fund system called "perpetual care".

The way its supposed to work is that when you purchase a grave plot, a chunk of your money goes towards the trust. Its invested such that it the interest and/or dividends generated from the trust can provide enough money to pay for basic care services to the cemetery for perpetuity. This system was established to see to it that cemeteries would not simply be abandoned and forgotten when the owners had sold all the grave plots - as was common with older cemeteries.

Interesting... when i googled "perpetual care" one of the first links that came back was for the state of GA and the "Georgia Cemetery and Funeral Services Act of 2000"...

http://www.sos.state.ga.us/securities/perpetual_care_cemetery.htm

As of 2000, all newly formed cemeteries MUST provide perpetual care to the entire cemetery. This obviously doesn't help the countless scores of cemeteries that already existed prior, but its at least a step forward.

I think a "save our cemeteries" campaign is a great idea, but getting government involved is a sure-fire way to see it mismanaged and fail, IMO.

One of our GhoStock 2 guests - "Dusty" Smith - was handing out literature and selling black Lance Armstrong - type armbands for the "Saving Graves" project...

http://www.savinggraves.org

A collaborative effort of cemetery preservation advocates working to increase public awareness and activism in preserving, protecting and restoring endangered and forgotten historic cemeteries worldwide.

I purchased one of those arm bands and have worn it proudly every day since GhoStock 2!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I agree with you Kimberly...

symbols of death are typically for the living...My thinking on the dead is pretty close to yours....

Thats why my opinion is that it comes from a lack of respect for others.....Sadly probably the same people have demonstrated that in many other areas of the community....Unfortunately often times it is learned behavior....

It is a shame!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
the world is going nuts now days. A few friends of mine that live in Indiana (which is where I'll be moving very soon) say there have been snipper shootings there. I can't believe what things people do these days.If these people that are being thieves want so money for copper or metal why don't they do what I was doing when I was 15 16 years old go out scrappin cars.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
You are right scarymom....They are for the living as are the funerals...but there still should be more resepect given to both...the dead really don't care about either but for the living it is their tribute to their loved one...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: CEMETERY THEIVES Reply with quote
 
scaredycat wrote:
I was just watching the news that people are going into cemeteries and stealing the flower urns. What is the world coming to? Now this is going to make it harder for some of us who enjoy ghost hunting in cemeteries more difficult. Before this is all over with we may not be able to hunt in them anymore. Can you believe this crap?? They are selling the copper to recycling centers.


This makes me angry that people do this. I know alot of investigations are training missions at cemeteries. This is going to hurt it for researchers trying to gain permission into these places.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
 
I know this is an old post, but just saw it today.

When we lived in Indiana, Dave had a teenage cousin that was a troublemaker. He & a couple of buddies decided to get drunk and drove through the little town church cemetery. No they didn't get caught (only County Sheriff's out that way), but when I found out WHO exactly had done it, guess who called the Sheriff's Department to turn them in.

Dave did not blame me on bit and thought I was very right for doing it.

I don't care if the people are just buried there and they have really passed on. It is so totally dis-respectful not only for the memory of those loved ones that have gone, but to the family that has that loved one buried there!

If they feel like being dis-repectful, then let them do something to themselves that does not involve anybody else.
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Good for you for turning them in...
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