Joined: Jan 14, 2004 Posts: 1895 Location: Georgia
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: Episode 4 (Timothy Stone) discussion
"Hidden Truth"
After a young man is found lifeless alongside his car on the side of the road, the case is immediately classified as an accident. But when things don't add up and the young man's mother starts pressing for information, a new scenario begins to emerge. The coroner retracts his original finding and a police report is deemed inaccurate. Desperate for answers, the boy's mother turns to a team of paranormal investigators. Can the help of this team put investigators on the right track?
Episode 4... what can I say other than how sad and tragic. Tim had been in the process of turning his life around when it was abruptly taken away from him.
After speaking with the coroner, I agree and think there was no way his body would have had its skull pulverised by a rear window ejection, and land so perfectly like that and so far away from the car - a good 75 feet if my memory serves me correctly. The initial report by the local police was obviously glossed over. Its as if the "good ole boy" network was in full swing and they just wanted this one to quietly "go away". But that's MY personal opinion.
This was one of the cases where I didn't measure any activity on my rig. That's the way this field is - recordable activity does not manifest on every location as we all know.
One creepy detail about this production. We were being "observed" - cased while we were filming at various locations, and the consensus was that it was NOT merely by curious neighbors, but at least one of the suspects.
There were other details that never made it to air that I don't feel comfortable disclosing with this being an open case. Maybe in time...
Condolences to Tim's family, who were very accommodating and obviously appreciated our attention to Tim's plight. I hope the show brings them answers very soon. _________________ Patrick Burns
Founder and Director, Ghost Hounds
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
I can't imagine anything more frustrating than knowing that a crime has been committed and not having the support of the local law enforcement agencies. My hope is that showcasing this case will pressure the local law enforcement into doing their job.
I agree with what John said - a forensic expert needs to go over that car. There must be something still there. Even after all this time.
This was very sad.....Much like many of the unsolved cases....
Although I would love the chance to visit the site and feel what Tim experienced.....It breaks my heart that he was in essence betrayed the way he was.....Although I get a sense that it is a memory rather than a current energy because I feel his time here was over and he understood it shortly after the "accident"....
How frightening his last moments must have been.....Sad he should have to be taken from his family over such a simple thing.....His spirit was simply joyous it seemed and I am happy he had started to find his way toward positive things.....Perhaps his lessons had been learned and it was time for him to move along.....
This episode was easier for me to watch....I could connect with your co stars much more this time....And I was glad to see parts where you talked to the coroner etc Patrick....Seeing you talk to the professionals who dealt with the case lends a feeling of validity to it as an investigation....With psychic activity only it makes it difficult to get a feeling of reality since psychic activity is based so much on feeling rather than scientific evidence....but when you have both and the two can connect it helps lend a credence to the psychic ability.....
All in all I feel it was a more intriguing episode for me....And I enjoyed watching it....Although it was painful to a degree....His mother seems like a neat woman...Someone who could certainly be a force to be reckoned with if and when they discover who was behind it.....
Last nights episode was extremely tragic, more so to me than the others for some reason. It may be the fact that law enforcement were of no help. These parents were robbed of their son, as well as there sense of security. We depend on the police to "protect and serve" not "wait and hope" that this will go away. It is also so sad that Tim KNEW they were coming to get him. How scary that mustve been.
But this case, like the others, will stay in my thoughts and prayers and I am so hopeful that John and Carla have helped to solve this in some way. Time will tell! _________________ http://www.myspace.com/haunted_hottie http://groups.myspace.com/elliscopp
Joined: Feb 03, 2005 Posts: 1024 Location: Columbia, SC
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:
Another good one but...less "I see, I feel" more scientific evidence...meaning you Mr. Burns _________________ Your loved ones are not gone...They are just harder to see and hear!!!
Joined: Feb 12, 2006 Posts: 453 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:
Another great eppy. For some reason, I just felt that there is no way these guys are gonna stay free for long. Hopefully, this will be the case. Well done Patrick!
Joined: Feb 05, 2004 Posts: 60 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject:
I'm not a fan of "good ole boy" police work either.
I like to think of the killers who committed these crimes sitting at home, watching HE, and really sweatin' it _________________ Sara
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Fayelle said: "This episode was easier for me to watch....I could connect with your co stars much more this time....And I was glad to see parts where you talked to the coroner etc Patrick....Seeing you talk to the professionals who dealt with the case lends a feeling of validity to it as an investigation....With psychic activity only it makes it difficult to get a feeling of reality since psychic activity is based so much on feeling rather than scientific evidence....but when you have both and the two can connect it helps lend a credence to the psychic ability..... "
I couldn't agree more, Fayelle. Even on the episodes that Patrick doesn't get any noticeable results with his equipment, he still plays a vital role. Watching this episode on the re-broadcast yesterday afternoon, it struck me how his talking to the authorities and interacting with John and Carla make a big difference in the show's feel. Comparing it to Episode 3, where he had less interaction like that, this episode definitely felt more cohesive.
Thanks for putting into words the feelings I had been having.
Joined: Dec 14, 2005 Posts: 47 Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject:
Wow, Patrick, yes, word does get around fast in small towns like that. Whoever is responsible, if still in the area, would most likely not be able to sit still while activity involving what they did surrounded them. Did they actually SEE someone watching, or was it felt by John and/or Carla? Sometimes in cases like this I wonder if there are corrupt law enforcement officials who know more than they say. Seeing as how many people in towns like that are related or know each other, it could be that it was determined an accident to protect someone. The WORST thing a parent can ever do is have to bury a child.
I have a question about the dogs.
They startled Carla at one point by suddenly barking. I know all too well that animals can sense things, and am not saying they couldn't have sensed a presence. But, had she or any of the other crew made actual contact with the dogs at any point in the time that you were there? Had she or anyone else gone closer to them than she was when they startled her, and they didn't bark? I do know that at my work, we can be mulling around, and a dog will be quiet and still, but when you reach a certain point, come close to what they feel is their immediate territory, they pounce up and scare the crap out of you, barking and lunging, when they weren't minutes or even hours before.
Joined: Jan 14, 2004 Posts: 1895 Location: Georgia
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject:
spoookygirl wrote:
I have a question about the dogs.
They startled Carla at one point by suddenly barking. I know all too well that animals can sense things, and am not saying they couldn't have sensed a presence. But, had she or any of the other crew made actual contact with the dogs at any point in the time that you were there? Had she or anyone else gone closer to them than she was when they startled her, and they didn't bark? I do know that at my work, we can be mulling around, and a dog will be quiet and still, but when you reach a certain point, come close to what they feel is their immediate territory, they pounce up and scare the crap out of you, barking and lunging, when they weren't minutes or even hours before.
That's very true Lisa. and you could be entirely right - have to be objective at all times. Note I'm careful to use words leaning towards the POSSIBILITY of it being triggered by a paranormal event, but never would say "OMG! Its a ghost!" Though the crew was walking all over the yard setting up, and the dogs never took note vocally before that. I'm not sure how far back they went, but I'm guessing at least to where she had been. Perhaps she just startled them?
The dogs sure did spook Carla either way though! LOL! Not something she (or any of us) were expecting! _________________ Patrick Burns
Founder and Director, Ghost Hounds
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Joined: Oct 28, 2004 Posts: 728 Location: Snellville, Ga
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:
spoookygirl wrote:
Sometimes in cases like this I wonder if there are corrupt law enforcement officials who know more than they say. Seeing as how many people in towns like that are related or know each other, it could be that it was determined an accident to protect someone. The WORST thing a parent can ever do is have to bury a child.
in more cases than we know about, Lisa!
just ask Beverly Watson, who's husband was warned by Clayton County police that Fayette County had him as a prime suspect in her disappearance and subsequent murder. Evidently he was one of Clayton's "part-time" finest!
did anyone on the Clayton County's force get suspended for tipping off the suspect? or better yet, how many actually LOST their police jobs over the incident?! not a one!
meanwhile, Beverly's body was found a year later, dumped out in the west part of Atlanta.
he was convicted, btw. on circumstantial evidence. which goes to show you... _________________ "just because you can't SEE them, doesn't mean they're not there!"
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