Reading this with Babel Fish is funny! You can understand what's being typed, but it makes it sound that much more desperate. This person is almost irrationally trying to reach for why he doesn't believe in the various things he's talking about. At least that's what Babel Fish translated it to be. I don't understand Spanish so I can't read it in it's original presentation.
There's one part that sums this whole page up easy:
Remember – we process information in two different ways through two more or less separate parts of our brain and nervous system. On the one hand, part of our brain works on a very intuitive / emotional / automatic level, and on the other hand, another part of our brain works according to the logic and rationality that we develop over our lifetimes. These two systems often produce contrary results, and this is especially so where paranormal phenomena are involved. The “believer” removes the contradiction by bringing the intellect into line with the intuitive interpretation, that is, by coming to accept the paranormal – in this case, the voices – as reality, and thereby reshaping the intellectual understanding of the world so that belief in such phenomena appears to be rational. Over time, an impregnable belief system develops which is supported by a very substantial base of personal experience (interpreted in such a way as to support the paranormal belief), as well as anecdotal evidence provided by others.
That description summed up is saying that if you have encountered various things to lead you to believe in something, then you believe. Just as the writer believes differently. Of course when we find something odd and unexplainable we look for reasons behind it. Unlike most skeptics that just look past everything so they can still feel they're ideas are true, once there's something there without an answer, it's evidence. Unless an expert of electronic recording can actually pull up proof showing that "sometimes when we record thin air we get sounds that we imagine as a voice talking", then there's something to it. The only people that keep saying that are the skeptics. I find it harder to believe that we envision hearing something on a recording when we heard nothing recording it than to actually believe there's something to EVPs.
Do I fully believe in the EVP idea? Not 100%. There are those recordings that sound as if they are answering a question asked by the investigator, but I tend to wonder about other ones. I can understand maybe a "help" or some other random thing like that, but there are a lot of times that random jabber is said to be recorded. I can't wrap my mind around why a ghost might just randomly say something like "I like soup" or some other odd out of the blue thing. Maybe there hasn't been an actual recording of what I said, but you get the idea. I just think in these instances there is something else going on or we are misinterpreting what had just been recording. Other time I think it's faked for tv though. _________________ ---------
Joe
Joined: Jan 14, 2004 Posts: 1895 Location: Georgia
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
I don't read spanish either, and Babel Fish is IMO a "last resort". Computers do not make good language translators (yet) and something ALWAYS gets lost in the translation of one language to another when a machine does it. So I didn't bother to read those pages...
As for the CSICOP page... yes - there are many, many examples of EVP on the web that are a real stretch. Lord knows this site has its share of them, and I've gotten more than my share as well.
But then there are the stellar examples - Babs "Sarah" EVP that she recorded when we were at the home in South Carolina in early October...
Clearly a male voice says "Sarah" right before Michelle says "Is there anybody in here?"
Then there is the one that I got several years ago in a cemetery with the girls voice saying "be nice!" Actually louder and clearer than my voice, which seems to indicate it was "closer" to the microphone than my mouth was (the DVR was being held in my hand at the time).
And those are only two good examples. There are many other good ones in our gallery... and yes - quite a few that are "iffy" at best.
Its frustrating when a cynic is so quick to dismiss ALL evidence based on a few poor samples. Clearly there are examples around that the "random pattern recognition" explaination simply does not fit. I too tried to dismiss EVP when I started doing this research, but being a skeptic myself, I have heard far too many examples of EVP that are too loud and clear to be random noise. It doesn't mean these are voices from beyond the grave, but they ARE "voices" as far as I can tell. _________________ Patrick Burns
Founder and Director, Ghost Hounds
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 1228 Location: Georgia
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:
J_Man said:
"There are those recordings that sound as if they are answering a question asked by the investigator, but I tend to wonder about other ones. I can understand maybe a "help" or some other random thing like that, but there are a lot of times that random jabber is said to be recorded. I can't wrap my mind around why a ghost might just randomly say something like "I like soup" or some other odd out of the blue thing. Maybe there hasn't been an actual recording of what I said, but you get the idea. I just think in these instances there is something else going on or we are misinterpreting what had just been recording"
I have always been of the mind that some evps picked up are residual in nature. That would explain the evps that clearly have no connection to what was happening or being said when the recording was made. _________________ "Frankly, Scallop...I dont give a clam!"
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